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There is allot of hyperbole being throw around about how much better the i5 8400 and 7700K are over the Ryzen 5 1600 so I thought I would post numbers and my thoughts on them here.SOURCE:FPS data below is taken from the above linked article. For gaming only:The 7700K is not better than the 1600. It's faster than the 1600 but also costs significantly more (and needs a high-end cooler).The 8400 is better than the 1600. It performs better at the same price. And when the low cost boards get released, the difference will get larger, since you don't care about RAM speeds.Now if you're interested in anything else where thread core count matters, then things change. But for gaming and gaming alone, the 8400 is better.I don't understand the love for the 7700k. I've expressed my opinion before, wasn't that popular, but I'll do it again:The 7700K now is a bad choice, regardless if it's gaming you're interested in or otherwise.

It's just too expensive for a quad core.The i5 8600K performs on par today, is cheaper and will perform better tomorrow.The 8400 performs a tad slower, is significantly cheaper and doesn't even require a decent cooler. The 8400 is better than the 1600. It performs better at the same price.

And when the low cost boards get released, the difference will get larger, since you don't care about RAM speeds.For most, this is mostly true. However, for right now, two things are true:.Availability of the i5-8400 is pretty bad.

Amazon doesn't list it. Newegg is sold out.One place I can find the 8400 is Micro Center. However, the cost is quite a bit higher. The 8400 is $250, vs. $200 for the 1600. There is no board discount on the 8400, vs.

$30 off for the board with Ryzen. B350 boards start at $75 at Micro Center, vs. $130+ for the Z370 stuff.So, that's +$50 for the CPU, and if you reasonably pick the ASROck Pro4, you're talking about $50 less for the board, plus another $30 off for the bundle. That's a $130 price difference between the 8400 and the 1600. To go from the 1600 to the 1700 is only $80, only $20 more than the 8400.

Basically, because of combo discounts and the B350 chipset, Micro Center will sell you a 1700 for less than the 8400 by about%40. The RAM makes up some of it, but really just to the point that a 1700 and board is the same price as an 8400.Next year, once stock is better and the H chipset is out, Zen+ will probably be out, or very close to it, and the comparison will be nearing the end of its usefulness anyway, since the Zen+ stuff will be the competitor as the first-gen Zen stuff is clearing from shelves (depending on how quickly Intel gets stuff out in 2018).Lastly, the 8600K means very little now because of availability. Yeah, it's about the same MSRP as the 7700K, but the 7700K is all you're going to pick up right now.

Micro Center doesn't list it. Amazon doesn't list it. Newegg's sold out. It's not easy to get Coffee Lake in general. Performance comparisons today mean nothing when only one is on a shelf. Disregard microcenter. I'm supposed to disregard Micro Center because of a narrow scope of customers, but I'm supposed to give weight to the value of Coffee Lake, which is harder to find than a Micro Center?What I said is also no part of a double-standard.

I specifically said that the comparison shifts when Zen+ is out, and that it's all dependent on when Coffee Lake actually becomes readily available. If it beats Zen+ to shelves with a good head start, it's a meaningful comparison.

If it's not widely available before Zen+ is on the doorstep of a launch, or even out, then the Coffee Lake comparison to this wave of CPUS is meaningless.As of now, I can only present the matter in that way because of how little knowledge we have of when Coffee Lake and the H-series chipsets will be easily acquired by consumers.Lastly, all we get is out of stock from Newegg and an unknown release date with a pre-order from B&H on that list. I can pre-pay for a CPU and not know exactly when I'll get it. I can know I won't get to reuse the board.

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I can know I can't overclock, despite being sucked into Z370. Also, while Ryzen's RAM needs are greater than Coffee Lake's, I find it less than stellar to take what is the bare minimum RAM for CL and put it next to the elite tier of RAM. You went with a $170 (I assume aiming for B-die, but don't know for sure) RAM kit at 3200 on Ryzen, even though you could very reasonably make 2666 or 2933 the aim and get a kit for $20 less.Regardless, the only way I can reliably get a decently priced 8400 is to go pay a $50 markup at Micro Center. Otherwise, I'm left to order a $200 CPU and not know when B&H will have stock. They have no estimated stock date on the site, IDK if that changes at the time of order or entering payment info, but that's not an acceptable definition of 'coming soon,' especially speaking as someone still waiting on that Strix Vega from early September.

I'm supposed to disregard Micro Center because of a narrow scope of customers, but I'm supposed to give weight to the value of Coffee Lake, which is harder to find than a Micro Center?Coffee lake CPU stocks will eventually be available to all. Microcenter will still be available only in 25 locations in a single country and you'd have to physically go there.So, yeah.What I said is also no part of a double-standard.You deny the Coffee Lake's involvement in this comparison due to limited stock yet accept the involvement of a product that does not yet exist. That's the double standard.If it beats Zen+ to shelves with a good head start, it's a meaningful comparison.We know nothing about zen+. When it will get released, how it will perform.

How much it will cost. Why bring it in this conversation at all? At the very best, we're talking about some time in February. That's 3-4 months from now.

And that's only rumors. It may as well get released 2H. Or straight up next year. Or it might not be a direct competitor to the i5/i7's.

It might be just the APUs.I mean come on, how is that not double standards.We should not take into account Coffee Lake because of no stock, but we should take into account the rumored product coming sometime next year.Also, while Ryzen's RAM needs are greater than Coffee Lake's, I find it less than stellar to take what is the bare minimum RAM for CL and put it next to the elite tier of RAM.Every single reviewer uses 3200 RAM. Read the suggestions in when someone asks for RAM.

Everyone says bdie. The same thing.Now I grant you the Ryzen can cost $30 less. But it will perform proportionally to the price, worse. That's why people get bdies, because Ryzen plays well with fast RAM.So take your pick:8400 vs 1600 same price, slightly worse gaming performance or8400 vs 1600, cheaper, slightly 'more' worse gaming performance.I don't know, looked pretty stellar to me.

We know nothing about zen+. When it will get released, how it will perform.

How much it will cost. Why bring it in this conversation at all? At the very best, we're talking about some time in February. That's 3-4 months from now.

And that's only rumors. It may as well get released 2H. Or straight up next year.

Or it might not be a direct competitor to the i5/i7's. It might be just the APUs.That's a bit of an unfair statement, don't you think? Saying 'It may as well get released 2H', it would have to get pushed back most of the year. That would be like saying Coffee lake won't have good stock worldwide until late 2018.I agree that the 8400 is a better CPU than the 1600 so long as you can find it within $30 of the 1600. I really don't think you can fault cubs223425 for buying a 1600 when it's just a available for him and a better deal. Either CPU is going to work excellently. I really don't think you can fault cubs223425 for buying a 1600 when it's just a available for him and a better dealOf course not.

Heck, I bought one. But come on now.

I'm talking in general (but for gaming) and he's constantly using his Microcenter deal to prove me wrong.Microcenter has -$ for ryzen. Microcenter has +$ for cl.

Sure, it's great to be in the States and have access to it but even among those brothers in the States, people with access to it are the minority.Lastly he doesn't accept using CL for comparisons because there is no stock, but uses Zen+ when he have 0 information about it.That's a bit of an unfair statement, don't you think? Saying 'It may as well get released 2H', it would have to get pushed back most of the year. That would be like saying Coffee lake won't have good stock worldwide until late 2018.That's his argument but inverse.

Is it fair to claim that CL won't have stock till Zen+ gets released? That's why I used it, I know nothing about zen+, I don't involve rumors/speculations and fantasies in my comparisons. Coffee lake CPU stocks will eventually be available to all.

Microcenter will still be available only in 25 locations in a single country and you'd have to physically go there.Except you're now talking on 'will be better,' after starting from 'is better.' You spoke present-tense of the 8400 when it isn't presently available. I'm saying that speaking of a comparison between a product that is available and one that isn't is useless in a present-day comparison.Plus, I will be building a computer this month (or next,depending on Vega availability). I am about 2 hours from Micro Center.

I can go get parts from Micro Center. I can't go to Newegg and get Coffee Lake (they actually show 3 8400s in stock at this Micro Center, but I'm not interested in it). It's also not like Micro Center is a local mom and pop shop; those things are mostly in large metropolitan areas. While there are only 25 stores, they probably have population availability much greater than the store count would suggest.You deny the Coffee Lake's involvement in this comparison due to limited stock yet accept the involvement of a product that does not yet exist. That's the double standard.Again, not what I did. I said that comparing an available product to an unavailable product is foolish.

I then said that when the unavailable product is available, it is possible that the new product from the competition will be available and worth considering as well, rather than using the year older version as the comparison point. I'm saying compare the stuff you can get in 2017 to itself, while considering all 2018 products, if they are simultaneously available. If Coffee Lake is readily available over the holiday season, then compare it to Zen. If Zen+ is months behind Coffee Lake, Zen has to stand up to it and be assessed for what it is. If Coffee Lake's true availability (including H-series boards for the non-K stuff) aligns with the availability of Zen+, then compare CL and Zen+.In that same vein I compare the 1070 and 1070 Ti to Vega 56 and Vega 64 now. I do not compare them to the Strix card I'm hoping will be coming soon.We know nothing about zen+. When it will get released, how it will perform.

How much it will cost. Why bring it in this conversation at all?Because you wanted to drag an unavailable Coffee Lake with no determined H-series board or restock dates into it and consider that a worthwhile means of present-day evaluation.At the very best, we're talking about some time in February.

That's 3-4 months from nowWe also have no knowledge of when Coffee Lake will be into full production. We know less about H-series boards than Zen+ CPUs.

What's more, you want to speak of present day price comparisons on Coffee Lake and Zen, as if there wont' be any sales or price drops on Zen as both Coffee Lake AND Zen+ near their release (which, while we don't know this for sure, common sense and common business practices indicate this is exactly what will happen).I mean come on, how is that not double standards.We should not take into account Coffee Lake because of no stock, but we should take into account the rumored product coming sometime next year.When you want to speak on unavailable parts, yes. That's not a double-standard, it's consistency. I'm consistently stating 'assess what is available,' that is all. As I said before, I only spoke to the hypothetical scenario that Zen+ could be ready by the time Coffee Lake is easy to get. I said to consider Zen+ if this happens, AND ONLY IF THIS HAPPENS.Every single reviewer uses 3200 RAM. Read the suggestions in when someone asks for RAM. Everyone says bdie.

The same thing.Reviewers also use the V64 LC and GTX 1080 Ti left and right. Guys who the general consumer isn't. Every YouTube reviewer.

We know Ryzen loves fast RAM. We also know that the gains from 2933 to 3200 are not all that big and can take a LOT of tinkering to make a reality. Plus, the first /t/buildapc list I saw on there DID have 3200 RAM.for $15 less than the kit you chose.So take your pick:8400 vs 1600 same price, slightly worse gaming performance or8400 vs 1600, cheaper, slightly 'more' worse gaming performance.I don't know, looked pretty stellar to me.I'll take.the parts I can actually go out and buy today.and any other day I choose.while also not supporting a company that had clearly sandbagged and driven up prices. That alone is enough of a reason for me to go AMD whenever they have a viable product, but this time? It's AMD who has something I can grab off a shelf or a web browser, versus an unavailable Coffee Lake.Keep speaking in the present tense, and my response will continue to be 'you can't presently go get Coffee Lake at those prices, if at all.' Also, as I pointed out, it wasn't even what you claim.

You say they're the same price. I showed that I can go to Micro Center and save about $130. I can even get a 1700 for less than the 8400 setup. Yeah, keep telling me about the limited availability of Micro Centers, but I'm pretty sure there are more people in the U.S.

Who can go to Micro Center for Ryzen than can go buy an MSRP Coffee Lake CPU. Look, I can't quote you because it's too long.The same way you're able to go to Microcenter and grab the discounted CPU+board combo, some people from other countries can order a coffee lake just fine. Case in point, my country. My bro had no issues ordering his 8700K.Does this mean there's availability? Just because a single shop in a backwater country has stock does not mean that it's available to most people.In the same vain, shops and sales like Microstore should not be taken account when we're doing world-wide comparisons. What you personally can do does not matter if it's not available to most of us.Again, not what I did.when the unavailable product is available, it is possible that the new product from the competition will be availableYou're doing it. Again.sigh.you know what, never mind.We know less about H-series boards than Zen+ CPUsOh come on now.Point me to a reliable source that showed anything about zen+.

Even the name is not certain. We know most of the details with the intel chipset. Release date, naming, brackets, there are even some benchmarks here and there.I'm consistently stating 'assess what is available,' that is all.

As I said before, I only spoke to the hypothetical scenario that Zen+ could be ready by the time Coffee Lake is easy to getBut you're not accepting my'Anyway my opinion stands as long as you're able to get the products at said prices.' In a reasonable amount of time, you'll be able to get them'It's fine for you to talk about a hypothetical product you know nothing about but not fine for me to talk about a product that exists, has been benchmarked and priced, but not at stock now?Reviewers also use the V64 LC and GTX 1080 Ti left and right.

Guys who the general consumer isn'tYes because in 2-3 years time, when you'll upgrade your GPU to the 1160/680 midrange graphics card, it will perform as a vega/1080ti. But you'll still be using the same CPU.We also know that the gains from 2933 to 3200 are not all that big and can take a LOT of tinkering to make a reality. Plus, the first /t/buildapc list I saw on there DID have 3200 RAM.for $15 less than the kit you chose.Point me to a bdie cheaper that what I've selected.The point is not that it's 3200, the point is that it's BDIE.

Because Hynix 3000, 3200 is not assured to hit 3000/3200. Bdie will, with no tinkering. You're not paying $30 for the 3200cl16 to 3200cl14, you're paying $30 to go from it might run at 3066 if I manually do XYZ. To enable XMP, you're done.I'll take.the parts I can actually go out and buy today.and any other day I choose.You do so then. I didn't say if you need a build you should definitely wait.

I said the 8400 is better. And God, I love my 1600.while also not supporting a company that had clearly sandbagged and driven up prices.You're under the illusion that AMD and whichever company wouldn't have done the same thing if it were in their shoes.

Because the board of directors on AMD and the shareholders are fundamentally different people from Intel's BoD and shareholders.You should prefer AMD products to Intels/NVIDIA if it's all the same but for competition reasons. Not naive idealism.I showed that I can go to Micro Center and save about $130.You. And my brother can give me a CL for free. Does this mean CL is free?

I can buy a 8400 today. Does it mean there's stock?but I'm pretty sure there are more people in the U.S. Who can go to Micro Center for Ryzen than can go buy an MSRP Coffee Lake CPU.and there more people that can't buy a Ryzen from Microcenter than there are people that can. All you were doing was repeating the same, bad logic.

I got halfway through and found no substance worth continuing on over, let alone worth replying to. I mean, the last thing I said was 'in the U.S.' And you started with your country, and openly admitted to using an extremely small sample of one to base your counterpoint. That's not at all meaningful or worth discussing. I decided I would much rather go to bed than go back to my computer and continue a circular conversation that clearly ran its course.